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Re: In the mind of Mark David Chapman
Fri, November 4, 2005 - 9:38 AMI'd rather go to a movie that delved into the creative mind and humor of John Lennon than that of that fucking asshole who shot him. Asshole's in prison and I hope he rots there, the bastard. To even use his name on this tribe is to befoul the memory of John Lennon, one of our greatest creative spirits and the man we mutually admire. -
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Re: In the mind of Mark David Chapman
Fri, November 4, 2005 - 10:02 AMAnd I'm sure he will indeed rot in there. There are probably far too many people on the parole board who are Beatle fans for him to ever have a chance at that.
Saying the use of Mark Chapman's name here as befouling is taking it a bit far, I think. This story is Lennon related. -
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Re: In the mind of Mark David Chapman
Tue, November 8, 2005 - 7:22 PMThe man who shot John Lennon was very, very sick...while it is entirely possible that it could have been a government operation, i wouldn't deem this guy evil in the way i would george bush or richard nixon.
that being said, i do think it's important that he not be given media attention or any sort of celebrity...i find it unethical of those journalists...
one of Lennon's friends, maybe it was Harry Nillson, always referred to John's assassin as "The Man Whose Name We Must Never Mention". -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Thu, November 10, 2005 - 3:45 PMSo let us rename him: Poopy McPooperstein. I shall not use the old one again. Poopy McPooperstein - the sick individual who shot my childhood idol. To quote Harry Nilsson (1 L, 2 S's) one more time --
"You see what you wanna see and you hear what you wanna hear. Can you dig it?" -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Thu, November 17, 2005 - 1:33 AMI've seen this discussed in other threads here. People get pretty bent out of shape over how to acknowledge Chapman if at all. As I see it, and I'm as hardcore a fan as you'll find, naming Chapman "he who shouldn't be named" or any other variation thereof is just another way to empower the guy.
I just saw a promo for a two-hour network special on Chapman. I mean, that's how our culture processes this kind of shit. I'll pass.
I'll be at Strawberry Fields on 12/8 like always. -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Thu, November 17, 2005 - 11:06 AMIf I saw him, I'd acknowledge Lennon's murderer all right. With a baseball bat and a machete.
I'm here because I continue to love and admire John Lennon. Discussing the man who killed him does none of that. -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Sat, November 19, 2005 - 12:14 AMLincoln, Kennedy, Ghandi, King, Lennon ... good people all. And all were assassinated. I can tolerated the names Boothe, Oswald (or whomever it actually was who pulled the "triggers") but the name of John's killer, it should be never mentioned, ever. Boothe didn't kill Lincoln for fame, he did it because, in his warped mind, he was avenging the south. But this assrag McPoop, he killed not only our generation's but also the world's most beautiful man. To make a film, a book, even a "posting" about this piece of shit is like forcing the father of Polly Klaus to have to watch the man who murdered his child. I hope this is one of the last comments on this particular thread. Long live Lennon. And may his murderer rot in hell for eternity. -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Sun, November 20, 2005 - 1:18 AMThat's certainly one way of memorializing Lennon's message.
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Mon, November 21, 2005 - 7:38 PMI think John would have a good chuckle at the notion of parsing which assassins of great people are kinda ok and which aren't.
King's assassin probably thought he was avenging the south, and so on. I am not convinced these others were selfless zealots. Them who want to be martyrs smell like fame seekers to me.
Artists should make art about anything which inspires them whether it disgusts some of us or not. So if a real creative soul wants to speak of this unspeakable crime, might be ok to wait and see what is the result.
However if, more likely, some corporation is looking to cash in on the tabloid angle ( brings to mind the fictionalized movie about gram partsons' death) the fie on 'em fie fie fie.
The Polly Klaas case was horrific and sad, ironically Mark Klaas wasted no time before becoming one of the more annoying publicity hounds in the media. -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Mon, November 21, 2005 - 11:42 PMExcuse me, but do you have a problem with The Polly Klaas Foundation? What is your problem, sir? -
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Re: In the mind of Poopy....
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 4:01 PMNo I have no problems with the foundation or even with Mark K.
But do think he is an annoying media whore. -
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Respect where respect is due.
Wed, November 23, 2005 - 8:22 PMHe tried his best.
When a heart is shattered into a million pieces, and every breath you take you wish could be your daughter's, you need to do something positive and if the only way you can get the word out is to flaunt yourself as a so-called media whore, then by jove do it.
Nothing annoying about anyone who all they can do is try their best, and live their life as best they can ... even with a stake in his heart.
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Re: Respect where respect is due.
Fri, November 25, 2005 - 2:15 PMperhaps you know himand hence know he "tried his best" and so on.
So that is certainly all anyone can do.
We may have seen different tv interviews but some I've seen have not been positive but rather advertisments for erosions of rights, expansion of death penalty and further strengthening of California's already way out of control exceptional powers ceded to prosecutors. I'm as sorry and sympathetic as anyone else to Anyone who has suffered the loss of a child or any loved one to violence. But I do not feel their understandable emotions should be amplified and given some extra cachet of influence
in media presentations of the very sorts of critical decisions that require a cooler more thoughtful process, with plenty of attention to the liberties which may be/often are lost when legislation is sold with the hot buttons of anger and fear. So I guess my beef is not with Mr. Klaas but with the lazy news media - for turning so often to him.
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Re: Respect where respect is due.
Mon, November 28, 2005 - 11:02 AMi wonder if john would have forgiven him. -
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Let's end this thread
Mon, November 28, 2005 - 11:47 AMThe cowardly SOB shot John in the back. The back! He emptied his handgun into John. Five bullets.
John had everything to live for -- a son and a wife whom he loved and who loved him. Friends. A career that was being resuscitated. A home. His health. He'd just turned 40.
John had a lot of great personal qualities and philosophies. But he was no Gandhi. And everytime I hear "Across the Universe" and the line, Nothing's going to change my world, I let out a sob for John and for us. -
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Re: Let's end this thread and go to the newest one
Tue, November 29, 2005 - 2:45 PMYes be done with this.
And turn some attention to Melanie's post with the link tpo John Lennon Peace Day.
Worth checking out.
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Re: In the mind of Mark David Chapman
Wed, May 31, 2006 - 10:49 PMeddy said . . .
>> maybe it was Harry Nillson, always referred to John's assassin as "The Man Whose Name We Must Never Mention".<<
There is a book that is like the bible of musicians and composers compiled by Nicolas Slonimsky called 'Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Music & Musicians'. There are only a handful of contemporary rock musicians in there - it's a very serious tome. Yt it has a charm to it. Lennon gets a spot in there where it describes his contribution to music and his biography. All it says about Chapman that Lennon was "Gunned down by a wacko in front of his apartment . . ." I always thought that was cool. No name, just wacko.
